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In two comments: Part 1

I've got thoughts on points 4) originality, 5) the text metaphor, and 6) irreducible complexity) as well as the larger theme of philosophical insufficiency, but I thought I'd briefly note 1) what I think the importance of this discussion is, 2) what I understand your view to be, and 3) what I'd like to persuade you of.

1) In brief, I think that one challenge the church in the present period faces is of synthesizing a world picture that satisfactorily explains both natural science (both the biological and non-biological) as the distributed tradition we experience today and the Bible as historically interpreted by the church. I think the clarity, rationality, and power of that synthesis would be directly relevant to the church's evangelical mission (both within the church to the next generation and outside to the world). I do think this is clearly secondary to the church's moral and charitable distinctiveness, but that it does still matter to many people and mission fields (I have many friends in the sciences for whom this synthesis is significant).

2) I take your overarching perspective to be that evolutionary naturalism can be carved out of the natural sciences (the rest of which can be essentially accepted) as a scientific paradigm that ought to be rejected. Further, it seems to me that you think we ought to reject it on scientific grounds, in essence that it is a clearly failed (and maybe even incoherent philosophically?) paradigm that only persists among scientists out of an unimaginative methodological naturalism.

3) I would like to persuade you that this view of the science is incorrect, that evolution by genetic change is a successful and productive theoretical paradigm, and that the same arguments that would lead Christians to accept the theories of physicists should lead us to accept the theories of biologists.

4) I confess I'm not sure I completely understand your philosophical issue, but my interpretation is that you believe that Lang and Rice are making a categorical error. That is to say, they are not realizing the transformative importance of the categorical distinction between original newness and mere pro forma novelty. I agree that there is an important categorical distinction between 'original' and 'new', otherwise 'paraphrase' would be an incoherent idea (along with related ideas like copy and derivative). But I also think that is essential when philosophizing about a discipline to determine whether those categories meaningfully apply to the discipline in question.

You agree that new genetic code can be added to a given genome and agree that mutation can result in a new genetic code, but you propose that something more is required: an 'original' element and that that 'original' element is what is necessary to change from an existing biological family to a new one. Why should we think that that is the case? In fact the really radical element of the evolutionary paradigm is that there isn't anything unique that separates some kind of eukaryotes from others (prokaryotes are different enough that I think it is debatable whether they represent a real difference in kind). That, for example, dogs could continue to be bred and changed to fill arbitrary ecological niches until they could resemble and thrive as animals that would seem to us more like cows, or fish, or even plants and micro-organisms. It seems to me that a claim of necessary originality must identify some point (i.e. evolution's edge from Behe's book) where the process of continuous change of genetic code must stop, and why (i.e. some blocker or barrier) it is impossible for it to go beyond that point. You seem to me to be agreeing that Lang and Rice successfully point out that novelty as such is not that blocker, and I'm not sure how to give a biological meaning to the originality problem (you've mentioned that it has to do with 'family', but as far as I can tell the family vs order distinction is a historical eyeballing of difference and has no physical motivation, so I don't understand how it could be a barrier).

It seems worth responding as well to two related ideas from your treatment of Aristotle. To restate the radical idea mentioned above (but more explicitly), the core conception is to deny that organisms (like say a tiger) have their own nature that gives rise to formal causation. Instead nature (and thus formal causation) is attributed to a) more basic building blocks, from cells to the particles of the Standard Model of physics that mechanically specify an organism and b) the fitness-shaping characteristics of particular ecosystem-specific niches which provide the direction for refining the formal structure of an organism. Further if the nature of those ecosystem-specific niches or basic building blocks are themselves intelligently ordered (i.e. God created an orderly, intelligible universe), we are not claiming that chance is logically prior to intelligence. This second point goes to the essential paradigmatic critique of all natural science, which is that the intelligibility of the universe is unexplained.

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Clark Coleman's avatar

I encourage readers to go to the website linked early in this post to read four different rebuttal articles to the Lang and Rice review (three of them being a three-part rebuttal from Michael Behe). Some of the Lang and Rice points that seem to be accepted in this post have actually been refuted, e.g. the frequency of loss of function mutations.

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