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Clark Coleman's avatar

An excellent exposition of the subject, which is a subject on which Christians need greater clarity. Many do not distinguish between attraction and lust. To notice that a woman is attractive does not mean I am lusting after her, yet I have heard Christians speak as if they are the same thing.

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Jared Hayden's avatar

Joel, this is well articulated. I think this is what draws me to folks like Ephraim Radner. To discuss "nature" without discussing the fall is to fail to make sense of our "natural" condition, which is for all of us is, in fact, fallen. I could say lots on this, but I think evangelicals and, all modern folk really, have been bad at articulating and accepting these limits. Much of the modern world is a story in which our mortality - in the broadest sense of that term referring to all of the fall's effects - has become obscured. Recovering what it means not only to be created by God, but subject to the limits of the curse, I think is a place for deeply fruitful discussion and thought. The more fruitful question is, as you seem to be moving towards, is something like: how do we help accommodate those whose bodies God has mysteriously allowed to be limited in particular ways? What does living faithfully look like for the autistic, the same-sex attraction, the disabled, etc., etc.? And what point does insisting on the elimination of these broken limits reek of a self-engineered attempt to play God and change what God has mysteriously allowed?

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