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Hanania is not a conservative, he is a libertarian and thus his view reflects libertarianism perspective.

He is straight up saying that he views friends or enemies from their adherence to consent-based morality.

I really just want to nitpick Hanania's argument on this aspect:

"Every “commodification” argument has a similar problem. Legalizing prostitution might change the way people think about prostitution. But does it shift how individuals think about things like sex and marriage more generally? I see no evidence of this. Currently, 10 European countries, including Turkey, have legalized prostitution. The laws also vary across state in Australia. If the “commodification” argument was correct, and letting men pay for sex weakened marriages and families, we should see some indication of that somewhere."

Except those countries literally just write off fornicating people as "families" on their census and construct their entire massive welfare state (which he hates as a free market fanatic) specifically to take away any advantage coming from marriages.

Which fails anyway:

- [Only one out of three children born to cohabiting parents remains in a stable family through age 12, in contrast to nearly three out of four children born to married parents.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4768758/)

- [On average, children living with cohabiting biological parents fare worse on several social, psychological, and educational outcomes than children born to married parents, even after controlling for factors like race, household income, and parental education.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3091824/)

- [Adolescents of parents who cohabited were at higher risk for externalizing relationship dissolution and relationship instability symptoms 10 years later compared to children of married parents. In addition, cohabiting mothers who stayed with their partner over the 10 years showed significantly greater declines in relationship adjustment over the 10 years compared to married mothers.](https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2021.746306/full)

- [IN FINLAND, where cohabitation is more common than marriages, Cohabiting parents had more depressive symptoms than married parents. They were also less satisfied with their relationships and expressed less satisfaction with the quality of support they got from their partner.](https://www.mdpi.com/2076-0760/11/4/181)

- [Nearly three decades of research evaluating the impact of family structure on the health and well-being of children demonstrates that children living with their married, biological parents consistently have better physical, emotional, and academic well-being.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4240051/)

And I really just want to nitpick you on this aspect:

"While social liberals point to the differences between progressive and Nazi bioethical policies as morally salient, I see them as primarily about keeping up appearances. The moral evil of the acts is disguised by the appearance of professionalism and legality."

I say it is the appearance of consent; "I want it therefore it is good and anyone who doesn't believe it is evil".

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Amos Wollen's avatar

Moral, Not Consequentialist”

This distinction prejudices people’s intuitions against consequentialism in a way that bypasses their reason.

I’m a deontologist, but I would never say “X’s arguments are virtue ethical, not moral”.

(btw, love the video format, I might have to pinch it)

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